Research indicates that children of moderate and conservative parents are more likely to report a strong, loving relationship than those of liberal parents. However, children of divorced parents have a slightly elevated risk of divorce, but many go on to have healthy, independent lives. As children reach adolescence, they want more control over their environment, including where and with whom they live. Research shows that more liberal states, like Massachusetts, tend to have the lowest divorce rates, while the highest teen birth rates tend to be in more conservative states.
Genetic factors are the primary factors contributing to the higher risk of divorce for children of divorced parents compared to those who grew up in two-parent families. Staying together for the kids is sometimes the best solution, and communicating a divorce to children with care and honesty is crucial. The effects of separation tend to be more challenging in the first 1 to 3 years.
Parental divorce is associated with more left-wing political positions in adult children, but it cannot be solely attributed to this. Children of liberal parents are more likely to self-report on mental health issues, as mental health is far more focused on in left-wing circles. Research has found that people who do not have children tend to be more socially liberal than parents, and having children helps explain why people are more socially liberal.
Political divisions can also lead to parental socialization being stronger if families are highly politicized and parents consistently share their political viewpoints. Most children who experience parental separation and divorce will develop into adults without identifiable psychological or social scars or other adverse effects.
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What age is divorce most damaging to a child?
Divorce is a difficult experience for children of all ages, with elementary school age (6-12) being the hardest for them to handle. This is because they are old enough to remember the good times from a united family. Divorce is not something you typically expect or plan for, and hundreds of thousands of couples split each year in the United States. Parents should consider their children’s well-being and try to make the divorce work for them until they understand.
Divorce affects children of all ages, with elementary-age children being the hardest. If a couple decides to separate, it may be best to know that children are resilient and there are strategies to ease the associated emotions.
What is the walkaway wife syndrome?
Walkaway wife syndrome is a condition where a wife becomes emotionally disconnected and dissatisfied with her marriage, often after years of resentment. This decision is not impulsive, but rather a result of feeling neglected and unhappy within the relationship. Identifying warning signs of walkaway wife syndrome can help address the root issues and potentially save the marriage from the same fate. One of the most common signs is a stark emotional withdrawal from the marriage, with the wife feeling distant and disconnected from her partner.
What are the 4 types of conservatives?
Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that aims to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values. It can be libertarian, authoritarian, populist, elitist, progressive, reactionary, moderate, or extreme. The central tenets of conservatism may vary depending on the culture and civilization in which it appears. In Western culture, conservatives may promote and preserve institutions like the nuclear family, organized religion, military, nation-state, property rights, rule of law, aristocracy, and monarchy. They tend to favor institutions and practices that enhance social order and historical continuity.
What is liberal parenting style?
Liberal parenting is a style that allows children to make their own choices without too many restrictions, setting few rules, and allowing them more freedom than other parenting styles. It is not about not caring about a child’s location, activities, or relationships. While there are parents who allow freedom of choice, there is a difference between those who care less and those who allow children to get away with everything. Being a liberal parent does not mean having no boundaries, but rather giving the child a say in their time at home, even if the decision is ultimately the parent’s.
Which parenting style is the most democratic?
Dr. Shreshtha Dhar, a clinical psychologist, explains that authoritative parenting, also known as democratic parenting, allows children to have a say in their own lives. This style encourages children to make decisions for themselves, rather than being directed. This article on parenting styles is valuable for anyone working with fathers and families, and can be integrated into one-on-one meetings, case management plans, and group-based programs like the National Fatherhood Initiative’s 24/7 Dad. Examining various parenting styles and reflecting on one’s own parenting methods can help improve parenting skills for children’s growth and maturity.
Are children happier with divorced parents?
Research indicates that children’s responses to parental separation and divorce vary widely, with some becoming happier and less distressed when their parents separate. However, studies have identified general pathways of children’s reactions in the first two years after parental separation and divorce, based on gender and stage of development.
For children between the ages of 2 to 5, preschoolers are too young to grasp the meaning of divorce, leading to confusion, fear, and blame. Younger elementary school-aged children (5 to 8 years old) can understand the meaning of divorce enough to become depressed, grief-stricken, and sad over the loss of family. They may also wish for parental reconciliation and feel profound conflict of loyalties.
Older elementary school-age children (9 to 12 years old) may also be depressed, sad, and grief-stricken, but are more likely to blame and be angry with one or both parents. They may also start to parent a struggling parent or younger siblings. Adolescents (12 to 16 years old) are less dependent on the family, so divorce seems less significant to them. However, self-esteem drops for many teenagers during parental divorce, leading them to question their ability to maintain a long-term relationship with a partner and feel considerable anger towards one or both parents.
Studies also show that parents’ remarriage and the birth of more children to the remarried parent can be very distressful for children of the first marriage and have lasting impacts on their long-term adjustment. Step-families themselves tend to be less cohesive, more distant in their relationships, more flexible in response to change, and lacking in clear role expectations. They are also more susceptible to stress.
Do children of divorced parents do OK?
Marital instability is a significant risk factor for children, with children from divorced or separated parents more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, live in poverty, and experience family instability. The risk increases by 1. 5 to 2 factors. Despite this, most children from divorced families are resilient and do not exhibit obvious psychological problems. However, they may report painful feelings or encounters, such as worrying about events when both parents are present.
Many associated risk factors, such as lower income and parent conflict, are linked to non-random selection into family stability or are consequences of family break-up. Researchers have used various methods to account for unmeasured environmental and genetic factors that could influence both generations. Factors mediating the association include less effective parenting, interparental conflict, economic struggles, and limited contact with one parent, typically the father. Marital instability presents not a single risk factor but a cascade of sequelae for children.
Are children of divorced parents disadvantaged?
The occurrence of parental divorce is typically associated with adverse outcomes for children, including diminished academic performance during their secondary and post-secondary education.
What is conservative parenting?
Conservative families typically have clear goals and clear guidelines from parents, ensuring clear expectations are made. There are three parenting styles: authoritarian, authoritative, and permissive. Authoritarian parents are strict and impose many rules, while authoritative parents allow discussion and place limits. Permissive parents are inconsistent with rules and very loving.
Various studies have been conducted worldwide to examine the relationship between parenting styles and academic achievement. In this report, two common parenting approaches are reviewed, and an ideal approach is introduced.
Studies by coauthors and others examine the influence of demographic, cultural, and other variables on the performance of school-age children on standardized tests. The results are counterintuitive, as a successful child appears to be more “made” than nurtured, more mused than molded. The chapter reviews how many parents are educated on raising their children and how parenting experts swing from one extreme to another.
Is gentle parenting liberal?
A survey conducted for What to Expect found that political affiliations correlate with the values parents want to instill in their children. Liberal mothers prioritize teaching their children kindness (56%), happiness (55%), and empathy (51%), while conservative moms aim to impart respect (53%), faith/spirituality (49%), and honesty (46%). Liberal moms describe their parenting styles as “gentle”, “nurturing”, and “loving”, while conservative moms describe it as “religious/spiritual”, “strict”, and “structured”.
The majority of moms consider themselves moderate, with 53% of the survey respondents blending the two approaches. Politics can infiltrate our worldview, behavior, and parenting. Daniel Oppenheimer, PhD, a professor of psychology and decision sciences at Carnegie Mellon University, explains that parenting style can reveal a person’s political preferences by their statements about their parenting style and what they think is appropriate parenting.
How children are affected by divorced parents?
Research studies have identified four risk factors that divorce can trigger in families, leading to negative outcomes for children. These factors include violence, inter-parental conflict, frequent moves, interruption of peer relationships, economic hardship, disruption of parenting routines, introduction of new adult partners, remarriage, loss of contact with non-custodial parents, psychological maladjustment, and loss of security.
These factors are directly connected to negative outcomes for children, including psychological disorders, sadness, loss, anger, under-achievement, social problems, drug and alcohol abuse, poor parent-child relationships, and poor adult relationships due to a lack of trust, with a high incidence of early divorce.
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As a drag queen, let me tell you, I do not want kids at my shows. It’s 95% of the time hosted at a nightclub or bar, those are not spaces meant for minors. Let me drink in peace. I don’t want to have to censor myself or my art because someone decided to bring their kid to my show. That being said, I have done shows that were open to everyone at other venues where there were guidelines in place to make sure everything we wore or performed was appropriate for all ages. Also, Homegirl with the denim vest needs to hush. I KNOW she doesn’t let ANY of her friends talk, EVER.
This is one of the best episodes so far. I think it helps to disengage a lot of the gatekeeping controversy we are seeing these days, by reminding us that “gay” is just a neutral term referring to the inborn quality of same sex attraction, and that being gay doesn’t determine your beliefs, morals, fashion, etc. What a great group of people in this episode.
I just want to say how impressed I was after seeing Mario speak. He held his composure while being aggressively attacked, and he stood his ground, even when no one in the room agreed with his points of view. He built his road forward in life as a minority, and I believe that alone makes him deserve a lot of respect.
Not having the older generation represented here was a huge missed opportunity. The idea that they may default conservative is a wrongful assumption. There was so much talk of the historical legacy of LGBT community in this MG but there were no people who survived the HIV years to talk about what the community was like back then. The community now is SO polarized and fractured into identity camps, I find that the only escape is to talk to people from the older generation who understand the nuances.
Both of my uncles are gay. Survived the AIDS epidemic and all that. They both say that over sexualizing the movement was the worst thing that could have happened. They just wanted to marry their partners. Didnt want to be praised, just treated equally. When they got that, thats it. They saw it as a win and called it a day.
As a Gay Liberal I was so embarrassed to have Barrett representing us. He was rude, obnoxious and totally unprepared for the topics of this debate. When he mentioned Marcia P. Johnson “throwing the first brick” I nearly choked. I hate to say it but I really appreciated the decorum and well articulated points from the Conservatives on the panel.
I think something that made everything go wrong in this episode was someone being unable to stay silent and listen even if they disagreed strongly to what was being said. If you want your point to be heard and understood, you have to make people WANT to listen to you. If you interject when someone is trying to talk time and time again, people aren’t gonna take you seriously or want to listen to you. This is a lesson for everybody.
The harsh reality is that its a game of optics. A group tends to be defined by its worst actors in the eyes of those not in the group. This is true of any group. You may not like it, but that’s life. So when the dude said “We have a responsibility to police our own community”. I see this as possibly the most underrated statement of the entire episode.
Whenever someone says, “shame on you” in a debate, he has told everyone else that his opinion is superior and has shut down everyone else’s opinion. He cannot be taken seriously from that point on. I would never debate that guy and nobody else should either. He has issues and nobody can break through a guy like that.
“Bisexual” is not a bad word. People can be bisexual. I agree with Amir and Clarkson on that. I know many bisexuals identify as straight or homo because it’s easier to belong that way, and sometimes it’s just less scary (if you’re a bisexual that identifies as het). But bisexuality is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. It’s natural, normal and far more common in human beings than people realize. If you are into both sexes, even if you aren’t into them in equal intensity, you are bisexual. And it’s not a bad thing! –a bisexual.
Barrett is one of those gays that ARE the problem with the homosexual community. You take one look at him and you already know this guy has an agenda and he’s not here to have a civil conversation on middle ground. Not to mention he blocked Amir on social media which speaks volumes to what kind of a person he really is. Well done Amir and Clarkson, you two were the most sane in all of this.
I really appreciate how respectful most everyone was! Barrett had a really horrible attitude since the first minute and I wasn’t a huge fan of how disrespectful Ryan was towards Mario, but REALLY appreciated the quick self reflection and apology. He seemed very genuine! I really appreciate the fact that Mario and Clarkson are very firm in who they are and passionate about what they believe in!
I am a gay women and consider myself a liberal, but here I have to be on the side of the conservatives. The liberals showed hostile reactions to almost every argument and were not able to have a conversation and were so personal. Very hard to watch. When liberals do this further the devide will go on and on.
I am gay, over 60 and I have been gay for 55 years. I lived through the 80’s epidemic and lost 70% of my friends and one brother. I am in a 32-year relationship, and You people don’t know what life is. Work on yourself, gain respect, and fight your battles because the war against us will continue. Your experiences and insights are precious, especially given the long history of challenges faced by the LGBTQ+ community. It’s important to recognize the resilience and strength that comes from navigating a world that can often be unwelcoming. Working on oneself, building respect, and advocating for equality are all crucial steps toward a more inclusive society. Your voice and experiences are vital in this ongoing fight for acceptance and rights.
One of my big takeaways with Barrett is it doesn’t feel as though he ever came to actually have an open conversation, and to think critically about salient opposing points being made. It only feels as though he took this conversation on debate style, not listening to others, and just trying to continue pushing his personal agenda. It just goes to show how difficult it is to create a space for dialogue when you’re so unwilling to even hear what someone who disagrees with you has to say. Everything was in one ear and out of the other with Barrett, while he scoffs at, interrupts, and lacks decency to acknowledge his own wrongdoing and apologize. But yet wants everyone to hear what HE has to say. Really pitiful.
I have often thought about how “over-sexualized” the community is. And it is problematic because, it perpetuates stereotypes and sends the message that “if you don’t look like this, you aren’t desirable” and what is so crazy is that we see so many other gay men judging you because you don’t look like the “ideal” when many don’t look like it either. lol
I really enjoy these conversations. I REALLY appreciated the guy in the floral kinda shirt, stood up defending someone he disagreed with to give him space to talk and that is something we need more of in todays discourse. I truly live by the “I may not agree with your opinion but I’ll fight to the death for you to be able to have it”. He was able to open the conversation up more than the guy who kept cutting off the person in heels (sorry, watched passively and didnt get the names). I admire the guy who was interrupting’s passion but the end of the day that doesnt sway opinions while the guy in the floral shirt did a great job of actually changing my mind some, and I truly appreciate it.
Barrett came with a bad attitude & was super defensive especially towards Clarkson & Mario. & then randomly asks Clarkson “do you want kids?” Lol Everyone else seemed to be super open minded & voiced their opinions without judgement. Kudos to Mario for taking that personal attack from Ryan & Barrett so well & maturely!
WOW! very productive, mature adult conversation. They all listened and tried to understand where the other side was coming from! A couple times emotion got the better of them, but they immediately got it in check, apologized, and the person getting yelled at stayed totally calm and didnt yell back. On so many of these, when two people start yelling at each other, everybody else starts yelling, instead of trying to lower the temperature.
I love how they mentioned intersex people as a valid reason for keeping the LGB and TQ+ united even when others told them it’s a VERY small minority they said “they matter no matter how small” but when the guy in heels signed legislation to protect detransitioners they went straight to “it’s just a small minority, who cares”. As if those who suffer all their lives because of a permanent decision that they shouldn’t have made as minors, don’t matter enough to them. Makes you think huh
This is a perfect example for how a discussion should be. Even after the emotionally loaded situation they apologised to each other and respected their different opinions. I would love to see more respectful discussions like that on the internet or in comment sections etc. 😊 In that way it was really wholesome to watch and super interesting.
As someone who is in the middle, I sided more with the gay conservatives. It really is apparent that conservatives have more common sense and liberals are drifting more and more from reality, at times says they are tolerant and all for everyone or minorities but end up showing they are intolerant and thinking about themselves, and if you don’t like it too bad, and they become inconsiderate for other voices or opinions that are different.
I am a liberal and I agree with the conservative side this time. Like, why is not wanting public indecency even a debate, people are allowed to do what they want in the privacy of their own home, just not in public. Edit: The reply section here is a mess. People are putting words in my mouth just to justify their own points. I am not gaslighting anyone by saying public indecency is wrong, please bffr.
I can’t stand people like Barrett. They have no problem knowingly contradicting themselves just for the sake of trying to prove someone else wrong. He really doesn’t seem like he even knows what he truly believes in. His moral compass seems to be based on anything that’s against what everyone else is saying for the sake of being difficult and different. He needs a lot of self reflection and therapy.
I’ve followed Barrett for years, this article made me stop. I really appreciated everyone else in this article, how they were all able to respectfully communicate, listen, and discuss. We need this kind of communication for humanity to productively move forward. Going every and any discussion you don’t agree with walls completely up, defensive and ready to shut someone down does not encourage growth.
Wow, respect for this group! They really stood their ground while also giving respect and space to others ideas. Y’all picked them well imo!! Edit: Also have to say I loved Kai’s energy. He seems like a really down to earth person. He was so gracious in letting others points be heard and bringing the convo to a middle ground
“Can we not talk about who we’re having sex with for this prompt” How can we exclude discussing sex from any of these prompts? They are gay males discussing gay relations in America. This “moderator” is horrible. Jubilee needed their new male moderator for this discussion. I can’t remember his name but he’s great.
Barrett is completely unbearable. Has not a drop of respectful discussion culture to him, and you can clearly see how he keeps grudges to people just for them being on the other side of the discussion and cannot have a human chill moment. He uses big words and idealistic phrases, but honestly I think he is clinging to them more than he can actually show up for in real life. Just be real, vulnerable and open, and stop talking over people damnit.
I massively agree with Amir on the point that a lot of people are looking for relationships, especially monogamous relationships, in all the wrong places. However… the sad part is that apps that initially came along with the purpose of dating and relationships quickly became another Avenue for sex instead of dating and relationships, leaving those of us who are looking for relationships stuck. One thing I always say to my hetero friends who ask me why I stay off ALL the apps is “It’s literally the exact same people. They’re just wearing a different mask…”😅
Most of the cast here were super respectful and thoughtful throughout the entire debate. Really commend them for realising when they were getting too heated and apologising to the other cast members. This topic is so nuanced and obviously there will be many disagreements. Glad to see that, for the most part, this was a very healthy conversation.
Ryan and Barrett both got really nasty at points and then tried to save face at the end. I understand being emotional about certain things but this kinda shows that their mindset is just to attack first and process later. Like it’s more important to shut down and shame someone they disagree with instead of listening first then debating. The fact that Garrett was told to be quiet so many times and still kept interrupting over and over again gave me secondhand embarrassment. I think only after realizing “oh yeah we’re on camera and the internet is going to judge us for how we act and what we say” did they apologize but at least there was some realization that their behavior was wrong.
Here’s an idea. Conservative Christians vs Conservative Athiests. Or maybe even Liberal Athiests vs Conservative Atheists. As an athiest that leans more conservative (even though I do identify as Independent) I don’t see a lot of my beliefs and views represented when most Conservatives discuss things lol
Barrett was so rude and condescending. He spoke about privilege without realizing he uses his own privilege to try to overshadow. He spoke so arrogantly and looked down upon others while trying to talk over people which to me just showed his hatred thy he has. He is using his agenda to hide behind his hatred and bullying
I think gender affirming operations as a minor is incredibly irresponsible by those allowing it to happen (doctors, caregivers, parents etc)… people can’t legally vote, drink, smoke and so on until they are an adult, yet they let these kids make such a HUGE decision? I think its just a bit backwards. Even as a woman, I am 26, if I wanted to have surgery done so I don’t ever have kids I have to jump through 100 hoops to find a doctor that will do it, or doctors will say I will still change my mind? or they want to wait until I’ve had kids?? … it just doesn’t make sense to me allowing kids to undergo such a life changing surgery.
I personally agree with not allowing kids to medically transition. I don’t care if the probability of detransition is low. The fact that it happens is enough to take into consideration, the chance that a child who made a permanent choice, can still end up growing up and realizing that they actually are not trans.
I agreed with the conservatives about pride. Pride should be an event to show love and show the history of LGBTQ+ oppression. It should be an event for all ages to express who they are. However, there isn’t a reason for public nudity. If you believe being gay is oversexualized, then don’t oversexualize it. It just adds to stereotypes rather than just celebrating and being proud of how far we’ve come. I’m a liberal and a strong ally of human rights.
As a straight person looking at Pride from an outside perspective, I used to think of Pride as a important Civil Rights Movement, but today I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking my kids to a pride parade partly because of the sexualized aspect of it. One of my biggest problems with any social movement even when it starts off as something really positive is that these movements get infiltrated by corporate virtue signalers, and opportunistic propagandists who want to promote other agendas
Why do they instantly attack Mario just because hes confident and happy about his sexuality? Throwing out random shjit like “Your husband is your protection, so your lucky” What the actual f***? Mario is probably the oldest amoungst theese people, with the most experience with the negative nature of beeing gay. Yet he is the one who gets bashed for having it easy because he has confidence in himself, which garners respect from others.
My opinion on the drag shows with an example: I’m from New Orleans, most people think Mardi Gras is a day/week long event of adult-partying and women exposing themselves. It’s actually 2 months long with roughly 30 different parades. If the parade route goes through a neighborhood and it starts around lunch time, you are free to bring children. In fact, those parades are going to be full of kids throwing and marching via HS bands and dance teams. Now if the parade starts after 8pm near all the bars and strip clubs, that’s meant for adults not kids. Just like there are family friendly comedians, but if you go see one at 10pm or later, it’s probably going to have adult topics. Same for just perusal tv at home. Why would you bring a kid to a drag show that starts at 10pm located in a bar and not expect there to be adult topics? It doesn’t mean there aren’t 1000% family friendly drag shows. You just need to use a little common sense to find them. Period.
Ryan and Barrett said it should be up to parents and medical professionals for making medical decisions when it comes to children. But then slam Clarkson for saying he isn’t comfortable with bringing his kids to a drag show, hooters, or Sam Smith concert. So if it’s up to parents for medical then why slam someone for not allowing their child to go somewhere when it comes to entertainment?
Gosh the gender surgery before adulthood one is so tough….. not everyone fully understands themselves- they might think they do – but how many of us now adults look back at the age and feel totally different about some things than we did then? I knew someone in university that started hormone therapy and was on the path of transitioning and then a couple years later after university they finally settled on that they just wanted to be nonbinary lesbian and stopped hormones and went back to a more feminine look
22:03 If a parent chooses to allow their child to transition that’s their choice. The healthcare providers that aide teens to transitions require so many hurdles to jump over in order to get it done including psychological counseling and evaluation. Puberty blockers are just a pause button that gives people time to figure out what they want and need.
i told my gay friend that its disappointing how sexualization and nudity is out in the open for the SF pride parade, I went back in 2010 and that was my last time. Men with leather thongs and woman with just paint covering their breasts. Its turned into a circus and cant be taken seriously. Its not PG which excludes a lot of people and is really a lot more divisive. He agreed with me and that its been getting worse over the years.
Puberty-blockers are not reversible. Where are they getting this information? In the past, kids have been put on puberty-blockers to stop early puberty (a little girl who is 8-10 should not be having her period), that is what it was made for and they looked for alternatives before putting them on puberty-blockers as well because of the effects that puberty-blockers have on the body. Children under 18 should not be medically transitioning (blockers, hormones, surgeries, etc.). Period. It is complicated and is a slippery slope with adults, why allow children to go through it?
As someone who already follows Amir and Clarkson on their socials, I’m so happy they were included! I feel like everyone, for the most part, kept the conversation going and offered meaningful insight. Barrett seemed pretty disrespectful of others and couldn’t stop barreling over others. I identify as on the more conservative side, but Kai and Tyshaun both offered great insight as well. Really great episode all around.
I’m gay and probably moving more and more toward the conservative viewpoints because it seems like the gay community nowadays has no sense of constraint. They really want to take things beyond 100%, especially in pride events that just stand for sex primarily and, from that focus, it creates pressure from high standards, division of you don’t conform or look a certain way, and an overall toxic environment. It used to be more accepting, positive, and even educational, but now I just find myself separating from it.
I think pride has become less about gay rights and more about public exhibitionism. There are still countries in the world where being gay can get you the death penalty. But I don’t hear this mentioned once during any pride event. Meanwhile countries that “sponsor” pride to show what an ally they are, are more than happy to do business with these countries.
I have been following Barrett for a while and am disappointed to see how he acted in this Jubilee debate. Noticed how Ryan was mature and respectful enough to let Mario finish and to apologising for getting too heated. On the other hand, Barrett kept on interrupting multiple times and never ended up apologising for his mean comments towards Mario. Acting like this in very nuanced debates gets us nowhere…
I find it interesting that denim vest guy thought braided hair guy (sorry for not remembering names) had internalized homophobia for being against gender affirming care for minors. There’s a lot of instances (not all and probably not even most) where the desire to transition can sometimes come from homophobia, internalized or externalized. Some people might feel like it’s not ok for them to be a homosexual who doesn’t align with gender norms and the only way they can be valid is for them to transition. Children and young people are especially susceptible to those kinds of fears and pressures.
“He’s protecting all the kids that are just Tom boys and Tom girls” Yes while simultaneously endorsing a law that takes away LIFE SAVING gender affirming care. Also who tf is “pushing” people to transition. When I came out I got bullied extremely bad in high school because I wasn’t masculine enough for the other trans guys (sorry i couldn’t afford a whole new wardrobe immediately after coming out) and a freak to everyone else. I lost family members and so many friends because I came out. As of writing this I’m over 5 years on testosterone, I had top surgery in 2021, and in 8 days I will be turning 21. If I didn’t get on hrt when I did I know for a fact I wouldn’t be here today.
As a gay male who grew up Christian, in a divorced household, seeing both conservative and liberal values from different households, and being raised with Mexican influences, coming out the day I went to college, and finally accepting myself fully at age 25, I can say life is complex. Many points I was very neutral on, and I know my experience is anecdotal, but please remember no matter what, even if the other person does something you despise, please listen as best you can and try not to judge or belittle their experiences because they don’t align with your own.
I found the discussion really interesting, but I wish it would be moderated better. Especially when Mario didn’t get to finish his sentences, even other participants reacted to it and had to try and moderate the debate. I think it’s really unfortunate that someone who sign up for a debate won’t let other speak and try to silence them by speaking over them. I understand it’s easy to get emotional when it’s something you have strong opinion of, that’s why I wish Jubilee would have done a better job of moderate the debate so everyone got a chance to speak and finish their points and opinions.
This is real progress. We love you, but its gotta be dialed back a bit. Im happy to hear its starting to meet each other halfway instead of forcing people to share views. Real progress is progress, forcing others to do things that cross boundaries will result in fear and ultimately erase any progress made if it isnt met halfway and respecting the opposing sides views.
The oversexualisation of the gay community isn’t so much about the fact that it’s gay and more about the sad reality that men tend to sexualise the objects of their desire. It’s how straight men have been treating women for millennia and in a community where men are the objects of desire, the exact same behaviours are transferred onto men. If you want to deal with gay oversexualisation, you need to address the problem with men in general, not just the gays.
“Normal” kids do NOT pause out puberty “all the time”!! It’s ONLY done for a condition known as “precocious puberty” which is a PHYSICAL condition. For which childrens puberty is paused temporarily and then resumed as normal and the HARMFUL PHARMACEUTICAL drug is ceased to be taken. The drug has very serious side effects, but the trade off is required because of physical dangers of precocious puberty… The so called reason it’s given to any other children these days is what is known as “body dysphoria” which is a MENTAL ILLNESS. The trade off for taking these drugs long term is NOT beneficial. This drug has NOT been approved by the FDA for the purpose of gender dysphoria. Only for precocious puberty. All other prescriptions for puberty blockers are off label
This discussion for this group was looooooong overdue and I’m so glad middle ground decided to host it and I’m so glad that we are seeing people in the same group having different opinions on the same question I don’t like the fact that they’ve been lumped on the Liberal and conservative at the end of the day these are group of gay men that have differences of opinion but I’m glad that we are seeing all spectrums of answers and I’m sorry to say in fact I’m not sorry to say but I honestly feel that the older generation has much more of a vested interest in the success of this movement so they would be able to have foresight for the future and they can see fads when they are happening they can see dangerous trends when they are happening and I completely 100% take my hat off to the dude with the braid
I really liked Ryan; he was so well spoken and wholesome 🤧🥺the part where he asked if they could just go around the circle and name things they loved about each other 🥲and how he apologized to the guy who passed the legislation 🥲he was my fave but besides that, this was a really great and effective article. Definitely the best middle ground. It really has me thinking now….
I explained gay and lesbian toy daughter when wlshe was about 9 and had questions. I told her that some men LOVE men and some women LOVE women. It was age appropriate and about love nothing about sex. She is almost 11 and her favorite YouTuber is a gay french guy who is so funny and feminine. I also explained as much as I can what a transwoman is. It is the parents responsibility to explain these things with age appropriate words.
I thought this was an amazing conversation. I don’t think it was nearly as hostile as many commenters seem to think. There were different and conflicting opinions backed with passion from either side of the issue, and we were able to understand where that position and passion were coming from regardless of who was speaking. I think that is an accomplishment. Great job guys!
Intersex is NOT rare. It’s at minimum 1% of the population. That’s 1 in every 100 people. That is a LOT of people. It’s roughly the same amount of people who have naturally red hair. The issue is that most intersex people don’t even know they are intersex, because the binary is so ingrained in our society, and genital mutilation at birth is so common, most people who are intersex will never know they are unless they get a genetic test that confirms they have “irregular” chromosomes that don’t fit their assigned sex at birth. It’s because it was completely legal to mutilate babies when they were born to force them to fit our society’s narrow ideology that the binary exists. Sex is a spectrum, just like gender and sexuality is a spectrum.
Being in Canada, I must mention that I’ve never witnessed children around queens during Pride if there’s an inappropriate performance. Every Pride event I’ve attended was family-friendly, with a separate section for families with children. Any queens performing during the day would ensure their act is G-rated, although such performances are rare. In fact, most queens I know are not fond of performing in daylight.
listening to these men actually makes me proud to be gay. Fast, critical, comprehensive, passionate and attractive thinkers. We are a force. I have a question for the men who participated as well as other commentators. How should an individual identify as if he agrees with approximately half of the conservatives view points and half of the liberals view points? Is that person an independent gay or a gemini or libra?🤔😉
Puberty blockers are given to children with precocious puberty. This is a rare condition where puberty occurs very young: under age 8 for females, and under age 9 for males. In these instances, however, the children would come off the drug so that the child’s natural puberty could occur at a more normal age. The idea with gender affirming care is that puberty blockers are given later on (ages 11,12…) and in this case the doctors are trying to disrupt the natural puberty in its totality. 98% of these children then go on to take cross-sex hormones which bring even more medical complications. Puberty blockers aren’t a ‘pause button’ either because children continue to age chronologically. If puberty blockers are given long enough the result is that the child will miss a *crucial window of development*, their maturation and development are impaired. Long term studies that follow children with gender dysphoria show that vast majority of them grow out of it, and most of them grow up to be gay. So the puberty itself is the cure.
How come the person that voices themselves is considered rude? and he did it so respectfully. Plus what’s up with them being so heated about minors being allowed to make life altering decisions? I’ve seen it across the board in debates. As far as the parents being able to choose, there have been many testimonies of the doctors pushing them into it.
Jubilee steps in to silence the point about sexuality, letting us know where they stand. This is just insane. It’s only recently that everything has become about “identity”. Beforehand we got along fine naming objective facts, but now we’re supposed to just go along with solipsism? Why? It’s more useful to me to have words which describe observable facts. The fact that NOW that queer is trendy lots of straight people want in, where previously they were the people using the term queer as a slur when it was unpopular, is galling to me.
When that guy said that he helped pass a law to protect minors and those two were bothered. I got scared OMG this is so dangerous two full grown gay men wanted to be against protecting minors is scaring. Why they want minors not to be protected but my real concern here is even if you are against that why do you express that in public even internationally cause I’m from Panama central america and Im seeing you making a fool of yourself by not keeping that to yourself😂 regardless I thank to this type of people bc when this come to my country I would be able to see child predators and child molesters and pedophiles FROM A MILE AWAY. THIS IS JUST GREAT TRAINING. and that guy should be proud of himself by helping protecting minors from people wanting to shop off their genitals and their breasts. So thank you so much.
On the topic of Drag. In England we have a show that happens around Christmas, aimed at kids, called “pantomime” which typically has “the Dame” character, who is a drag queen and women typically play roles like Peter Pan! This has always been a beloved tradition of ours. My ex was a teacher and told me they cancelled their panto trip to not offend a trans kid in their class. It’s strange that PC culture is now NOT allowing children to see Drag when before it was deemed fun and child friendly. We’re actually moving the opposite way somehow, when before, kids were being exposed to queerness at a young age!
As someone who identifies straight, I’m not taking my kids to hooters either!! & a drag sexualized show. If it is a show or theatrical drag play without sexualization then I’ll reconsider but I have to watch it first. Just like with movies, I’ll have to see if the movies are appropriate before they can watch it.
There’s so much in this which is respectful deference and hyper-inclusion that you can see PREVENTS any lines from being created. This is a great example of how hard it is for society to build policies around this group, because so many edge cases, nuances and academic considerations that get thrown in. I think it should be kept in LGB academia and not allowed in broader normal discourse. It’s an utter endless rabbit hole. It cannot be defined. Society requires definitions to function.
i think it’s strange that they did not include the topic of STDs and STIs when talking about education. I believe that comprehensive sex education will help reduce cases of STIs in the LGBTQ community. I think to educate the youth on health matters is a big priority and responsibility for public education.
I’d love to see these articles eventually hehe : – North American Indigenous peoples vs Southern Indigenous peoples! (Being northern Indigenous and having southern Indigenous friends, I realize how there are soooo many differences because of our different colonizers, and how much they lost more their Indigenous identity with the Latino term etc more than us in North America (hope this makes sense) -I’d also enjoy seeing articles surrounding disability! (Maybe visible disabilities vs invisible disabilities) or terminal illness vs chronic non-terminal illnesses etc etc -I’d love seeing actual autistics VS autism moms -City natives vs natives on the rez
I used to attend pride in Victoria BC … once in Toronto I went and took my child (over 20 years ago) and I was like WOW this is not appropriate for a child so never went again. There was definitely nudity and sexualized nudity etc at the Toronto pride that year. Did not want to take the chance of over exposing my kid to that. I feel strongly about answering a child’s questions in an age appropriate way and bringing more detail once the nature of the question indicates that they are ready for more information. I feel strongly against exposure for exposure sake. Let the child indicate to you what they are ready to see/hear. We had a copy of Mummy laid an egg which gently addresses how babies are conceived ie egg plus seeds …. not at all creepy but cute and age appropriate.
it literally sickened me how constance talked to alexandra. when she was describing her abortion, how she was grieving, and how it felt for her, and then constance cut her off and said “did you know that a baby has a heartbeat at 5 weeks?”. there was absolutely not respect towards her, which is just sad.
My heart reaches out to Alexandra, that girl has more patience than anyone I’ve ever seen. She gave the floor to people, said to them “I think you had something that you wanted to say” fully let them say their piece, but when she tried to speak her piece was interrupted most the time. Wild how she was the only one willing to listen and have a mature debate about a tricky topic
i’m actually apalled when wylan talked about being sexually abused at a very young age—young enough to not know what was happening to her body, and constance reponds with “what about the unborn child” without so much as thinking about how wylan WAS also a child in that situation! a child that could have been forced to carry ANOTHER child to full term. that is something that i genuinely feel is horrifying and was not even close to being made out to be as horrifying and gut churning as it is when it was over looked so quickly and insensitively instead of actually digesting it even when wylan implies she was very young.
The way Constance berated Alexandra after she told such a vulnerable story was so disgusting. You don’t have to agree but she is still human and went through an incredibly difficult time. It shows more and more how anti-abortion people do not take into account the experience and well-being of the mother. I’m so impressed by how well spoken Alexandra was after being so disgustingly attacked because I would have been sobbing.
there whole convo about how “raped women’s children are the same as everyone else’s children” rubbed me sooo wrong . yes the fetus might be a normal kid, but you know how truamtizing it would be to be the mom seeing ur rapist face in ur kid every single day. i’m a firm believer on if you want to be pro life, be pro life for YOURSELF. you can still be pro choice and personally / morally be pro life.
“Are you going to stand here and say that children who are conceived in rape are somehow different than children who are conceived consensually?” this was one the most stupidest and insensitive follow-up questions asked, for the very reason that the discussion wasn’t even about discrimination amongst babies but rather about the mother’s mental health and the trauma she goes through after being raped
Dude… Constance getting asked if she made money off of her activism, saying “if my followers give me some.” And then immediately turning and asking if one of the other girls would consider herself financially stable when she had unprotected sex is absolutely astounding When Alexandra is talking about what she held after using Plan B, she held the full placenta/sac, not just the baby. At 5-6 weeks, the baby is only the size of a mustard seed. If not for the placent/sac, she would probably just mistake it for a clot
I think Alexandra’s arguments were too advanced for some of the other cast members to even comprehend… lol. You could see them with confused faces as she gives the most well-developed, intelligent responses I have ever heard someone give regarding autonomy and reproductive rights. Alexandra for president honestly
It frustrates me how people make pregnancy sound like a minor inconvenience when it is literally a physically, emotionally, and financially LIFE ALTERING EVENT. It’s considered a disability for a reason. I know people who literally could not eat food the entire time they were pregnant without throwing up to the point of malnourishment. People who’d need to stop taking medication for depression or psychosis. People who were bedridden for months or needed serious surgeries. Glossing over that is extremely disingenuous.
My oldest was conceived thru rape. My second was conceived thru poor decisions and unhealthy coping skills. I was 17 when my first was born. 19 with my second. I love them as much as the two I conceived in a loving, healthy marriage, but my experiences led me to be pro-choice. I know the toll pregnancy takes on a body, the emotional fallout after rape…and I can’t imagine forcing (anti-abortion legislation or religion) anyone to give birth.
I studied Medical Law and Ethics as a final year law student at Oxford – and honestly, was so impressed by Alexandra’s arguments. A few of her arguments are based on things I would have in my reading lists every week and she explained them so well and succinctly. Alexandra – if you’re reading this, I just want to say you would be a fantastic law student/lawyer.
“Becoming a foster parent is a long, tedious, expensive process” Carrying a baby for 9 months and raising a human for the next 18+ years is also a long, tedious, and expensive process. Forcing a human to carry out this process or telling them they are wrong for not doing so is inhumane. This is why the preface that Braedon can never be in a position where he will need an abortion was necessary. This is why women who are pro-choice or people who can get pregnant in general say “what about me?” People who are pro-life are essentially giving the fetus more rights and more control than the very being that has to carry it. No. You cannot find a middle ground when it comes to abortion. You are either fighting for the rights of an embryo or fighting for the rights of a woman. There are so many reasons why abortion is necessary and forcing a woman to carry a baby they dont wish to is insensitive and cruel. Pregnancy is a labor and a job. You cannot call yourself an advocate for human rights if you are denying the rights of those that walk the earth. 32:20
I’m so happy that Alexandra mentioned bone marrow donations, because this is rarely brought up: We agree that nobody should be forced to donate bone marrow (which is a relatively risk arm medical procedure) or to donate blood, even in cases in which it could prevent someone’s death. Theoretically, a parent could refuse to save their child from dying from leukemia by refusing to donate bone marrow, but when it comes to pregnancy it’s suddenly a different story.
Leave it to the pro life side to judge victims of rape for their abortions, I don’t care how many resources there are out there, it doesn’t relieve the trauma of being taken advantage of, it doesn’t pay the therapy that woman may need and even years later that trauma will never go away it sticks with you. But ultimately a woman who has been violated should be able to decide if she wants to go through that pregnancy or not.
Daphne and Alexandra really are very brave for sharing their stories, even when they knew they would be slammed for it. If either of them read this, I hope you’re doing ok and know that you didn’t deserve to be disrespected from the other teens when they chose to hurt you instead of have empathy and be respectful ❤️❤️❤️
I wish Daphne pushed back against Ayala asking why she’s bring up rape in the case of abortions. There is a difference between a woman wanting to have a baby and a woman whose a victim of rape. The health and well being of the mother is continually lost when anti abortion people argue for forcing people to have a baby. A person brutalized and traumatized and then the government forcing that person to have a baby is next level horrific.
I think one frustrating thing about the anti-abortion/pro-life side is how they truly don’t care about the person carrying. They say they care but they truly don’t because they like to forget the psychological, chemical, physical, & emotional changes one goes through during & after pregnancy; they like to forget the shitty parts like struggling with medical problems, postpartum depression & postpartum psychosis, & a slew of other things due to pregnancy that they didn’t have before. Its all about what it could be, not about what is.